10am: 8mg Ephedrine, 2 cups coffee
Not feeling too much. I have the normal head rush of caffeine, but a little bit of "body rush" that you don't get with coffee. It's more of a full-body restlessness where you just feel like you want to run around and move.
Appetite not suppressed. Ate more than the previous day, actually. I think this partially might have to do with the fact that I've been doing more cardio the last couple days- my current location has some amazing trail running and I've been hitting them the last couple days. I've written previous posts about how running sends my appetite skyrocketing, perhaps this is why.
Fell asleep around 11:30pm.
8am: 16mg Ephedrine, 2 cups coffee; 1pm: 8mg Ephedrine, 0cal energy drink (~100mg caffeine)
Definitely getting more of a full body rush today. Not noticing that the ephedrine itself is helping concentration - definitely still the normal effects of coffee, but I feel a bit warmer and my heart feels like it's beating a little faster. A little rough to sit still. It makes me more excited to move and get exercise.
Appetite somewhat suppressed. I still get a feeling of "hunger", it's just slightly easier to ignore. Nothing magical for sure.
Went for a run 4 hours after my last dose. Felt fine - no crazy increased heart rate like they warn you about. I think I spaced the dose and the run out enough that I wasn't in any danger. I felt a little more fresh on my run than I have in the last few days - the hills weren't quite as hard and I wasn't quite as out of breath.
Still only taking two doses a day- I'm concerned about getting enough sleep.
It's 6:30pm now, still feeling some of the body rush of the ephedrine (5.5 hours later). Planning on the same dose tomorrow, but with better planning food-wise.
Thoughts so far about the stack: not negative, but not incredibly positive.
8:30am: 16mg Ephedrine, 12oz coffee; 12:30pm: 8mg Ephedrine, 24oz of green tea
Quality of sleep last night was... okay. I definitely slept, probably six hours, but while my brain was ready to shut off, my body was restless. Fell asleep around midnight, and was periodically awake. Woke up at 5:00am, then again at 7:00am.
This morning I'm feeling pretty nauseous.
I'm also finding I have to drink more water, I'm a little bit more thirsty than I usually am, which isn't much.
9:30am - Feeling better. Nausea is mostly gone. Not feeling quite the rush that I did yesterday. It's a little more pleasant, not quite as harsh. Mostly, I just feel caffeinated.
12:00pm - So far, the 16mg dose is feeling pretty chill compared to yesterday. Had greek yogurt for breakfast, feeling like I could eat more, but I don't have to.
Regarding dose timing: 4 hours between doses seems perfect.
7:15pm: Today's doses felt pretty chill and way less jittery than the previous. Had a pretty positive outlook overall.
- While the ephedrine is still effective, I have this sort of burny feeling in my lungs. I'm thinking that's the decongestant properties of the drug.
- I get way more nauseous when I over-eat than when I'm not on the stack. I guess that's good?
8:20am: 24mg Ephedrine, 12oz coffee; 12:30pm: 16mg Ephedrine, 0cal energy water stuff
Last night I slept really well for the first time in a long time. I didn't sleep well the first few nights on the EC stack and had been kind of an insomniac prior to that. Last night I slept about 9 hours.
8:50am: wow. Really wired. Pretty unpleasant. Oh well, I can still focus and get work done. Kinda nauseous.
9:24am: Okay. It's evened out a bit now. Feeling pretty productive and focused. Nausea is pretty much gone. Not hungry whatsoever despite last having eaten at 6:30pm last night. Drinking lots of water.
1:30pm: Decided to take the 16mg dose because the 24mg dose evened out pretty well.
- With higher doses, hunger is less (well, duh....)
- I still get hungry pretty regularly, but I the main thing is that I can't eat as much in one sitting.
8:30am: 24mg Ephedrine, 20oz coffee; 12:30pm: 16mg Ephedrine, tea
Last night I got a little bit less sleep than the previous. Probably fell asleep around midnight. Quality of sleep wasn't great - I'd wake up to pee and then would just be like, wide awake, and then crash back into be bed. Kinda bizarre. Very vivid dreams. Gonna keep dose 2 at 16mg this afternoon so hopefully my body will be a little more relaxed tonight.
7:30am: 24mg Ephedrine, 12oz coffee, 1/2 tsp Matcha tea in greek yogurt; 11:30pm: 24mg Ephedrine, tea
The ephedrine buzz is a lot more even now. I can still feel it, but it's not as worrisome or distracting. For any climbers interested, it messes with my lead head a lot - I get frustrated and scared easier when on point. I think I'm going to try to stick to bouldering.
I've been thinking about adding the usual third dose in the day soon (most dosing guidelines have you taking a third dose in the afternoon), because the lowered food quantity catches up to me at the end of the day and I eat a lot of calories after my second dose has worn off. Going to taper it upwards so that I can fall asleep.
Going to look into caffeine pills rather than trying to time coffee / tea and guess how much caffeine I'm consuming.
8:30am: 24mg ephedrine; 12:30pm: 24mg ephedrine; 4:30pm: 8mg ephedrine
So, today I decided to take 8mg of ephedrine at 4:30 as my third dose. I was alert, focused, but not overstimulated like I still am with the 24mg doses. I also found that the appetite suppression qualities were still there, and I didn’t binge on dinner.
For anyone interested in what I’ve been eating, here’s what I ate today:
- 1 cup greek yogurt with stevia, matcha
- 4 egg scramble, onions, broccoli
- 2 pieces of bacon, crispy, fat drained
- 300-400 calories worth of hummus
- 5-6 carrots
- A chicken sausage
- Half an apple
- 8oz pork country-style ribs, seasoning rub
- 4 squares of dark chocolate (250cal)
So it’s not like I went from eating my normal 2500+ calories a day to eating nothing - I still eat pretty normally, just slightly less than I usually would.
The 8mg dose yesterday ended up being fine sleep-wise, which is what I was the most nervous about. Fell asleep around 11pm and slept until 7. Almost couldn’t feel the doses today. The strongest was actually the last dose of the day, which I accidentally took an hour early.
I barely felt the first dose today, enough that I wondered if I actually took it. I was really hungry this morning, but I'm thinking my body is starting to register the lower calorie intake over the last week. I'm starting to crave junk food - something that really only happens when I'm not eating at maintenance calories.
The second dose felt a little bit stronger though. Went sport climbing about an hour after the second dose and felt incredibly winded after finishing routes, my heart rate was a bit higher than usual.
Dose 1: 24mg; Dose 2: 24mg; Dose 3: 16mg
Bumped up the last dose of the day. Not feeling the ephedrine too much anymore. Sleeping fine at current dosage.
All three doses: 24mg
Don't really feel the first dose anymore. Slightly feel the second and third doses. Eating closer to the amount that I'd normally eat lately, wondering if my tolerance is getting high.
Day 12 - Day 21 (end of cycle):
All three doses: 24mg
So, I stopped updating daily here because the EC stack started to feel pretty normal. The chest-burny feeling that I got at the beginning went away and I'd just feel energetic. At some point in here I started taking caffeine pills instead of trying to time my coffee intake with ephedrine. This kept my caffeine intake consistent and I felt like it helped the ephedrine work significantly better than when I was taking odd amounts of coffee / tea. The third week of EC stacking, including caffeine pills, felt way more effective than weeks one or two, and was much more pleasant. Also, most of the negative side-effects of ephedrine were gone, meaning only the appetite suppressant and energizing qualities were left. I got into a rythym of eating what I needed and sensing when I didn't eat eat enough.
There were definitely days where I didn't eat enough. I have a TDEE of 2300-2500 calories, and one day I retroactively counted the calories I'd eaten that day to be around 1600, which is a fairly steep drop. Those days in the gym, I'd feel pretty weak and unrecovered, and I'd try to up my intake a bit more at the end of the day.
Overall, with its ups and downs, I ended up being really happy with the EC stack cycle. My impression of the cycle only improved as I went on. I'm seeing some good results in the mirror: more prominent abs, biceps and veins. I'm climbing better too: my projecting grade is starting to go way easier and I'm trying the next grade up. I'm excited to start cycle 2 and continue to see results.